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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 06:58:00 -
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Added subject line. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected])
Edited by: Omega Sinner on 11/09/2007 07:03:59
Do you condone your gm's making players lose there hard earned ships and isk by riping them off..
for example player sells rattlesnake on open contract other player buys it gm comes along says it was sold to a known isk seller and takes the isk he just got for the ship,,the ship itself and then take another bill off him aswell and that = lost player and soon many more to come if this type of thing is aloud to keep up.
Something must be done about this abuse of power by gm's ingame.its not the first time I've heard of this happening.
Don't bother telling me this is the first time you've heard this cause i know it is not.
What are you going to do about this me as a customer of your fine product would really like to know..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 07:05:00 -
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Lol should have proofed it..
its not the hair its the residue from the hair spray
:P
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 07:27:00 -
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I am against isk sellers and items sellers..But to have a gm tell you that your selling your stuff to a known isk seller on an open contract when you have no idea who is buying your stuff.
Is completly worse then isk sellers by far.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 07:35:00 -
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Exactly my point...
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Sinner on 11/09/2007 07:44:19
Thats just it petitions have been sent out..yet ccp hasn't done anything about them and has lost several good longer term players because of this blatent abuse of gm's..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 07:54:00 -
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your right its not really abuse but it is wrong..removing the 1.1 bill plus the item then fining him another 1 bill for something he had no control over.Such as who buys the item when its open and not private.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 08:39:00 -
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What are they going to do if say a long term player and friend of players makes the decision to leave EvE cause of rl is taking to much of there time.
transfers his stuff and isk to a friend just cause he doesn't want to see all of what he's collected go to waste.
This problem brings up many questions.
Also many fears that items and isk can be taken for reasons that aren't truly just and hold no foundation without properly looking at the situation.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 08:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/09/2007 08:37:04
He bought 2Bil before, and bought a Rattlesnake with it, didn't he?
It's what it reeks of. Anyway, you can always escalate to a higher GM.
No he hates sellers as much as I do..If your not making isk ingame then reavalute your game stradegy..that my oppinion..Plus he had the rattlesnake longer than I've known him ingame and its not about him buying it.
its about who he apperantly sold it to on an open contract.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 09:21:00 -
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It is bad what happened to this player..Not only was the isk that the item was bout with removed and the item not giving back being the rattlesnake faction bs..
But the player was then fined 1 bill isk for selling the item in the first place on open contract to a player he had no idea was buying it and was apperantly an known isk seller..
If the said toon who baught this faction bs is a known isk seller then why hasn't his account been banned before this incident ever took place..
If it was banned before hand there would be no problem and player would not be leaving for lose of items and isk because of inproperly trained GM's..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 17:19:00 -
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I know ccp doesn't care about buyers and sellers in truth Eula is there just to cover the company's arse so if deals go wrong they can't be held responsible..
an old corp I was in not only kicked a toon out for buying isk and bpo's but sent several petitions to ccp and the responce was were looking into it..
all he got was don't do it again and left with everything he baught..
and to those who say I'm not telling the whole story read it again..
the item in question is a Rattlesnake faction Bs..a faction rattlesnake sells on average for 1 or more billion for those who don't know what a rattlesnake is or sells for on average.
Baught from the afflicated player by an apperantly known isk seller according to the gm for 1.1 bill..
Gm comes along says you've just been fined for selling to a known isk seller..
your item has been impounded.
the 1.1 bill has been taken away.
and your fined 1 bill for selling it to a known buyer.
following comment from gm which got me..
Don't you check who your selling items to..
Its an open contract you can't till after the person has baught it..
and how are you as player to know who sells and buys isk unless they tell you they do..
This really comes down to improperly trained GM'S..
and ccp doesn't care about any one player leaving the game or couple there is tons per day the leave and tons per day that join..
I want to know what if anything is ccp going to do about this problem with there gm's..
and yes it is riping players off and if they do nothing about this problem then that tells me that they do condone it..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:01:00 -
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I agree with you Brock..But unfortuantly there current stance from my understanding is hands in the air. a.k.a nothing being done hence 6 players now that I know have quit this game from this one incident..
If more ppl came forward with similar problems wether they were fixed or not..
Then and maybe then on one collective forum ccp can see just how big this problem really is instead of small doses of petitions...
and just so ppl know petitions have been sent out.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:54:00 -
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I love how ppl automatically believe you've done something wrong.
"they wouldn't do soemthing like this unless you did something wrong first and formost"
Mistakes happen all the time but gm's removing stuff from players is wrong..
and for......""EXAMPLE""......AND ONLY AN """EXAMPLE"""
if I setup a contract for 10 bill for any other item if someone is stupid enough to buy it for that price because they didn't pay proper attention then its there fault they baught it in the first place
and even if it was a isk seller buying the item if I truly don't know this and was playing the saps on the market then I shouldn't have a gm coming along and removing stuff from me is I was legally playing the market scam..
people buy things in this game all the time for stupid prices
and I know CCP holds that policy as part of the game dynamic's....
Gm's Shouldn't have the ability to access players banks or stations or anything else unless the player is first warned and they get a mail of some sort stating that the company is condoning this..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:38:00 -
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There has been market scamming going on in this game from before I started 2 years ago.
So now for gm's all of a sudden start removing items and isk from players selling things on market or contract legit or
scamming the ppl who are just not paying attention after they have already taken the stance market scamming such as setting up a sale for 1 trit and trying to sell it as something else in the description was part of the game dynamics..
By saying there being baught by known isk sellers is still wrong..again players will not ever know who's a seller or a buyer unless told by that player that they are one or the other..
Take first ask questions later is a wrong stance to have
that is how you lose players cause we all know who long ccp can take to get back to you..
and when you hear something you don't want to after waiting for how ever long it might have been then your ****ed and will leave this game..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cynical Attitude
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for example
"For example" just doesn't cut it for the kind of accusation you're making. Prove that the situation you're implying happened is what actually happened and Eve is dead as noone can safely use the market or contracts any more. If you can't prove it, or that isn't what happened, then what is your point?
if you actualy put the rest of the for example and only example in your quote your point wouldn't be moot.
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.11 20:28:00 -
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They may own the product..but I spend my money on it I enjoy it..I am the reason along with all other players they still have a product to sell..
What gives them the right in a game said to be, marketed to be a game for players to make what happens in the universe happen..
To remove items and isk on an asumption of an item sold for its value is being apperantly sold to a known isk seller..
if they have such a strong stand againts isk sellers and buyers why are ppl that are being ligite being tageted.
the Known isk seller is still playing this game..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 00:29:00 -
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This thread is not just about one player and one incident..I want every incident that players have had were items and isk have been taken away by gm's here..
its time for a collective mind to stand and say this is happening..
whats going on.
gm's need to take more care on there actions and investigate the situation before taking extreme action..
They need more training and more guidence on there actions before there aloud to make such decsions as to remove items and isk and in my oppinion only senior gm's should be the ones aloud to do such actions....once a proper investigation has been taken..
Not at a whime of a possible situation specially when a player has no idea who is buying there auctions or contracts and wether its dirty isk or ligit isk..
every system isn't perfect we are only human after all..but there are ways to fix a situation that is becoming increasingly more common and slowly making the paying consumer distrust the gm's and there actions and fear about selling anything for it being taken away..
Followed by a lengthy fight to get it back..
Most won't bother and just leave to find a different game..
Don't let a few isk sellers ruin a good game for other ligit players who want to play and trust they are looked well after..
Don't be vast and cold like your game can be show the fact you care about the ppl who make this game great fun to play..
the inforamtion about this one incident has been sent yet again..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 00:35:00 -
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Thank you for the info Grawshellar and for your support
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 01:00:00 -
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I will..
My intent with this post is not to slam ccp or its gm's its to try and bring forth a new thought process towards there actions
and more caution with there extreme actions so that players aren't left wondering why this happened and should I continue in this game..
then it spreads making ppl wonder if they should sell anything on market for fear this might happen to them aswell..
proper procedures need to be put into place so this doesn't happen anymore..
a long fight to get something you know you didn't do anything wrong with is hard to follow through with..specially if nothing seems to be happening..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 03:13:00 -
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Originally by:
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It isn't blatant abuse of GM power, abuse would indicate GM's would do it to futher their own goals, they aren't doing that but instead they are just following work procedures.
but if a procedure indicates that players are suffering great losses with no validation.and are suffering for it with no compensation or fixing the problem it is abuse of the consumer when there is no warranted means to do so and its done on a possibilaty of wrong doing..
like the old saying shoot first ask questions later..but that gets you knowhere but with more problems..
do it enough and your left with nothing but wondering why you can't get out..
because you've shot some of those that could have helped you and chased everybody else away for fear of being shot..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Sinner on 13/09/2007 09:07:58
to early in the morning need sleep...
Still waiting on reply from prisim x will be posted as soon as one is heard....
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 09:11:00 -
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Roflmfaro...I love that post...too true...
like he said intention may be good but really there only intentions..and when put in to poor practice then there nolonger good intentions are they....
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 09:14:00 -
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not me mine hasn't been all bad but I've gotten way better service out of other mmo's which will remain nameless 
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Sinner on 13/09/2007 19:23:00
Really I don't know who to believe I know my friend is very good with the market..and i mean dam good with it at finding deal and reselling items..
But what I wonder is how much atm is ccp or the gm's trying to cover there tracks just by saying this so that things will not exploded out bigger...
its to convenient to say something like that..aswell..it smashes everything that was being said..well almost everthing..
I know my friend is really good with market at buying and re selling an he's been a 3 + year toon which isn't hard to build up 10 bill in that time period more than once..plus how did he go from 1.01 bill...to neg 900 mill..if he had 10 bill??
its till doesn't answer all the questions...is he buying isk maybe it wouldn't suprise me.. but at the sametime are the gm's just saying this casue he uses the market and trading in amoungst his toons alot and there just trying to stop the real problem..kinda like I hang my head inshame but...but what they did with BoB...oh gawd I can't believe I went there...
its still poses question after question...who's telling the truth and who is not..
again the gm's are saying he baught but were's there proof..is it there word??
and here's the other thing the apperantly known isk seller is still playing the game....
I don't post toon names that way i can't get in trouble..but I know it and he's still playing...
its kinda troublsome I want to believe my friend at his word..
but at the sametime I want to believe ccp or the gm's wouldn't mislead the comunity aswell..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis
Can Omega please be banned for calling characters 'toons' over and over?
It's quiet vulgar and demeaning to myself and other EVE players to be given such a label.
holy crap now thats just stupid ^^^^^^...
and in the end I'm not the offending toon...
if my friend did by isk bad on him really bad...
but if he didn't and this is just a way to cover it up bad on ccp..
But in the end I thank Prisim X for even trying in the first place. something else no other gm even bothered to step forward and try to do..
and for the TOON which players have called there characters since the start of mmo's just lose yourself again..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.13 23:13:00 -
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Your right...its not like ccp or gm's have made mistakes before...
I didn't mean its a cover up but ppl wanted the truth to from me proof from me wanted me to post copys of the logs..
so why not show were they came to the conculsion..
Send me an email showing me how you came to this conculsion U know my account you know my email addy...
its fair you were sent one showing pictures please show me were in his logs you found him buying isk please.
flame if you want because I'm asking for proof besides there word..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.14 00:44:00 -
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all I'm asking is for the proof besides there word..
if my friend baught isk like they say then he was stupid..and desevres what he got...
I just want to see it with my own 2 eyes, whats wrong with asking for that..
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Omega Sinner
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Posted - 2007.09.14 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
As per GM Nova, your friend has been given a 2 week temp ban. When that 2 weeks is up your friend can post his full api key if he wants the community to review his entire transaction history. If your friend really wants to prove his innocence, then he should be willing to offer some evidence of his innocence.
While I strongly believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I also believe in a right to privacy. CCP should not devulge your friends financial history without his participation. That reason in addition to their non-disclosure policy about anti-ISK seller methods is a legitimate reason for leaving things as they stand.
If you do not wish to disclose the API key to the entire community, then perhaps to some trusted members of the community who you believe could provide an unbiased audit of his transaction history.
If the claim is true, 10 billion ISK should not be hard to spot.
I would say that the next move in this case belongs to your friend.
agreed...
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